Honestly I see it like the following,

What happens when you're a new player with no experience in PVP yet you want to learn how to be more effective at flying your ships. Your friend invites you to the dojo so that you can practice a bit more before heading out into the wild and PVP properly against all kind of matchups. Suddenly the quality of pilots rises because they learned better how to fly, making your PVP life more challenging and exciting.

Win/Win across the board, provided it's implemented with no rewards or benefits to other people.

You are implying that PVP in eve is always equal to a riot after a football match, which is wrong.

Even if it was the case, learning to control your ship and becoming good at stuff like manual piloting, slingshoting etc might save you someday.

I know it might be hard to understand if all you do is log in to jump to a cyno and press F1 but try to focus.

What you are trying to say is that since CCP didn't give an option to players to have fair and competitive pvp till now, they shouldn't implement it.

Are you implying that piloting skills are irrelevant to eve online combat? You can't possibly be serious.

Not only that but dojos would teach you a lot about your engagement profiles and what you can do or can't do against certain type of ships and fits.

Good joke tho.

Why do I have to gimp my gameplay and not use TQ just because you don't like it and won't use it?

Using the same logic : is it fair to say to people asking for a better sov null system to go on sisi because fights doesn't matter there?

So you are okay with multiple shards then?

Are you or are you not ok with multiple shards. Because that is what Singularity is turning into, a consentual PvP shard.

Except that mechanical skill is still relevant even with non-consensual fights, please read my post again.

Manual piloting is what makes the difference between a good tackle and a great tackle, same for small to mid gang engagements that logi surviving because he had good angular velocity/positioning might win you the fight.

I guess it might be too hard to understand for someone that only play the game to press f1.

Ah, so what it comes down to is money then. You get a perverse sense of power and control out of taking things away from others that they worked for. That explains a lot.

Thanks for backpedaling from your initial statement that implied your dojo experience won't be useful in the rest of eve.

We both agree that it's not the case then.

Why do you consider it gimmicky pvp? What if I consider blobbing gimmicky pvp? Is consensual pvp or even mining worse gameplay than ganking or blobbing?

You didn't reply when I asked you what if we did the same to people asking for changes in sov null, why is that?

Yes because elite pvpers are known to fly shiny officer mods ships.

Are you sure you play this videogame?

Good but you understand that if people could warp in whats the point of having dojos instead of duels?

Other playstyles are only allowed to exist because they can be used as a source of targets for the above. If a particular playstyle cannot be fed upon by one of these three valid playstyles, it must be purged from EVE.

You left out pathalogical sadist.

Again, this is a common misconception about eve, eve isn't a game where you can attack someone at anytime for any reason.

LOL. You're the one crying like a butthurt little girl over an experiment on a test server by one of the Devs.

In the same argument, using a jabber ping to amass a force to log on and get instantly Titan bridged on to a target is essentially the same: getting pew pew easy and fast. And from the receiving players end, there isn't anything they can do about it. Remember that when you say you can't affect dojo PVP bc I can't affect "giant blob just bridged on me" PVP. As for the more risk out of the dojo argument: all ships are still getting popped that aren't a training session. Just like the billions that are spent for the AT, billions would be spent by teams competing on tournaments.

I never said the dojo arena is better or should be the only one. In fact I said it would help the overall EVE environment. The sandbox is exactly what it should be, a place where all players have a way to do something. Not everyone likes getting bridged on or blobbed to death but it's still allowed in game and apparently not everyone likes the idea of a fair place to have coordinated fights but it's also being considered being brought into the game. Both will have a place to survive in game and won't step on each other's toes. As I mentioned in the post before, there are still plenty of ways to affect someone else's quick and easy fix PVP

It actually doesn't mean that. It means that the players are given the tools to make their own content and shape the game world themselves, as opposed to themeparks where the content is provided for you and there is little or no player effect on the game world as a whole.

Sandbox doesn't mean "I can do whatever I want". It means "I can decide for myself what I want to do" and yes there is a very big distinction.

you have to cater the game around this